David E. Powell < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote in message <news: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it I wonder if they will push their USC any? The Universal Service Carbine, in .45 ACP, sold to civilians in the US with a 10 round magazine, but probably available with bigger ones to police and military types. It uses a lot of polymers and has a very good balance. The parts that are steel (I think they are made of steel) are very high quality. The example I saw had ghost ring sights, a mounting rail, and was extremely balanced and pointable. Perhaps the UMP is supposed to go against the other PDW type weapons that are out there. Didn't Steyr have a machine pistol of sorts out as well? The Steyr TMP, a 9mm pistol with a 25-round clip, IIRC.  Not bad, but I'd prefer that Beretta that John Travolta was using in Broken Arrow - a Beretta 93R with some of those aftermarket 30-round clips.  Load it with the Federal 9BPLE or Cor-Bon 115-grain +P+ loads, and you'd pretty much be set.  The Glock 18 (with a 33-round clip) would also be a valid option. What ever happened to those 50-shot pistols that all the cowboys in those Saturday matinee serials used to carry?  Damfino why the military never adopted them. I was more impressed by the Good Guy model revolvers which apparently had some sort of terminal guidance system that allowed its bullets to strike only the _weapons_ of the bad guys.  At extreme range.  In windy conditions. Fired from the hip. Home on attitude projectiles?

Fired from the hip. Home on attitude projectiles? Perhaps. I got a good laugh at the scene in Rustlers Rhapsody where the good guy did target practice with silhouette targets of pistols. Don't worry, I'm just going to shoot the guns out of your hands... George

only the _weapons_ of the bad guys.  At extreme range.  In windy conditions. Fired from the hip. Home on attitude projectiles? Perhaps. I got a good laugh at the scene in Rustlers Rhapsody where the good guy did target practice with silhouette targets of pistols. Don't worry, I'm just going to shoot the guns out of your hands... George In the America's First Freedom magazine, May 2003, there is a profile of a pinfire revolver on Pages 52 and 53. The revolver had two _layer_s of chambers in the cylinder, one around the other, with staggered firing holes for the cartridges. I'm guessing that the hammer's firing pin may have swiveled between _layer_s like the LeMat Percussion revolver's did for it's nine shot .44 caliber cylinder and underbarrel in shotgun/large round ball caliber. The pinfire revolver is a 7-millimeter, made in Belgium around the time of the American Civil War. The cylinder's two _layer_s of chambers hold a total of twenty-one rounds. DEP

Didn't Steyr have a machine pistol of sorts out as well? The Tactical Machine Pistol. A well-made 9mm that's a bit too big for a pistol and too small for a SMG.

The Tactical Machine Pistol. A well-made 9mm that's a bit too big for a pistol and too small for a SMG. Has Steyr been suffering in sales? Haven't heard one way or another. Their website doesn't list the TMP any more, though. (People seem to still like the AUG)