Col^ < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote in message Sue Bilstein < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote in message jasonr (Jason Rumney) @  f2s.com wrote in message <news: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it Phelan < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it writes: is 'Kaz' Japanese ? Probably Polish or Mexican, I should think, trying to give Japanese a bad name. I disagree.  He gets the true flavour of Japanese racial invective. Remember the Japanese are a whole nation of holocaust deniers - they Hey I'm not one of those white apes that did holocaust. I'm Japanese. And you should stop this personal flame troll attacking an individual. still haven't faced up to anything they did in WWII except the comfort women. You still haven't faced up to anything you brutal apes did to the Japanese. In the official Japanese worldview, the rape of Nanking never happened, and they never experimented on logs of wood (prisoners of war). Again, don't post this crap to soc.culture.japan. You apes sicken Japanese people and spread bad diseases. LOL.  Piss off Nip It's cute. Is that how you pink-skinned hairy dirty apes call us? Nip is short for Nipponese One entry found for Nipponese. Main Entry: Nip·pon·ese Pronunciation: ni-p&-'nEz, -'nEs Function: adjective Etymology: Nippon, Japan Date: 1859 : JAPANESE - Nipponese noun

Nip is short for Nipponese But in Japanese it is highly offensive to shorten words, isn't it Kaz ?

Sue Bilstein < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it wrote in message jasonr (Jason Rumney) @  f2s.com wrote in message  <news: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it Phelan < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it writes: is 'Kaz' Japanese ? Probably Polish or Mexican, I should think, trying to give Japanese a bad name. I disagree.  He gets the true flavour of Japanese racial invective. Remember the Japanese are a whole nation of holocaust deniers - they Hey I'm not one of those white apes that did holocaust. I'm Japanese. And you should stop this personal flame troll attacking an individual. still haven't faced up to anything they did in WWII except the comfort women. You still haven't faced up to anything you brutal apes did to the  Japanese. In the official Japanese worldview, the rape of Nanking never happened, and they never experimented on logs of wood (prisoners of war). Again, don't post this crap to soc.culture.japan. You apes sicken  Japanese people and spread bad diseases. LOL.  Piss off Nip It's cute. Is that how you pink-skinned hairy dirty apes call us? No.  That is what one specific poster calls YOU.  Don't generalize and stereotype.  It is stupid, ignorant, illogical, bigotted and racist.   Verno No, liar. Such white apes, especially those dirty ones in the fart land down under usually call us so. It's a formal word to call us in the fart land. Also such barbaric white apes in canada often call us so. And what do you call whites, K-K-K-kaz? Verno

Remember the Japanese are a whole nation of holocaust deniers - they still haven't faced up to anything they did in WWII except the comfort women. In the official Japanese worldview, the rape of Nanking never happened, and they never experimented on logs of wood (prisoners of war). woah there Sue, that is a gross generalisation !!! You cannot blame the entire Japanese people for what their some of their politicians say ! Except it's not some of their politicians ; it's almost all their politicians, their media and their education system. People who accept the historical reality of what Japan did in the war are as rare in Japan as holocaust deniers are in Germany. Not sure where you get your facts from - unless it is the popular media featured in some 5 second news bite ! Why do you think Japan has never contributed solders to UN missions (although they are in the process of addressing this currently) and instead has poured billions of dollars of aid into surrounding countries. Their constitution is a constant reminder of what happened. Most Japanese are now well aware of what went on, that they don't approach it in the same way as Europeans would, is purely a cultural thing, a bit like when they say yes in business negotiations, it doesn't mean yes as in i agree , it means yes as in i understand . There are complicated social norms for dealing with confrontational situations, and they are quite different from how the Germans or South African or anyone else who has engaged in a bit of genocide at some point in history - read everyone - deals with it. I am not justifying to horrific things Japanese did, no one ever could, but while we would like them to give a European _style_ apology, where everyone says sorry (however insincerely) hug and makes up, that is just not how things are done there, it is a foreign concept. A good example of this was the apology of a recent (I forget who as they go through them so quickly) personal apology from a Japanese PM. This was unprecedented, but he made it in a way that satisfied Western interpretations of an apology, I am sure he meant it, but it was also for effect. Many Japanese felt he spoke for them, which he did. But in a way it still wasn't official. There is also a fair bit of politics involved, China gets good regional leverage out of prodding the Japanese on the issue, and obviously would like to get it's hands on any compensation money.   It is worth noting that Holocaust survivors still haven't received any money either, although they got an apology. In any case, you are expecting a vast group of the population to apologize for an event that occurred when they were not even alive. I could draw similarities to the Waitangi Issue here. Being married to  a Japanese has given me some insight to the incredibly sad and complicated problem of Japans sorry history during the war. My wife's father has told me about how when he was little he lived in Shinjuku - a suburb of Tokyo, and remembers being fire bombed by the U.S. and seeing piles of burning bodies in the street, the fires burned for days. (my father has the same stories while he lived in London) These people didn't want the war, and didn't participate directly in it. So you can appreciate their complicated feelings over the whole thing. Most Japan's are deeply embarrassed about the events, they see themselves as a cultured race and view the events as a awful aberration. Remember that Japan was operating under a regime like Hitlers,without the luxury of being able to nip across the border if you disagreed with the regime. Also media was tightly controlled and they truly had no idea what was going on outside the country. They thought they were winning the war, and that surrounding countries were welcoming them as liberators. You can't honestly believe that a democracy with unimpeded access to the facts would allow it's government to perpetrate such atrocities ? (Hi Phelan!) What he said! It seems like that anti-Japanese propaganda that was around during the war still survives to an extent today. It's a pity that people like Sue continue to perpetuate such nonsense, and fail to recognise that many Japanese people suffered just as greatly, if not more than New Zealanders, due to the tyranical, undemocratic, militaristic regime that wrenched control over the country in the 1930's, and the consequences those militarists brought upon the rest of their country, in addition to the atrocities they committed abroad. I wonder how Sue would feel if she was the subject of such comments, tarred with the same brush because she happened to be the same race as a bunch of really really bad people. I wonder if Sue is capable of understanding that humans on the other side of the issue, whose only great failing was of being born Japanese, are not any different from her at all. I tend to think some people are beyond this level of understanding, nor have any chance of understanding the cultural differences between Japan and Germany and so ignore this sort of stuff myself - it is particularly irrelevant in discussions about killing and eating animals. Maybe Sue is capable of questioning the propaganda that she has been exposed to over the years, maybe she isn't, but you have my admiration for trying.

Hey I'm not one of those white apes that did holocaust. I'm Japanese. And you should stop this personal flame troll attacking an individual. Again, don't post this crap to soc.culture.japan. You apes sicken Japanese people and spread bad diseases. Fuck off you short willied little man. What is it again? Tsehai cincin... Nik

It seems like that anti-Japanese propaganda that was around during the war still survives to an extent today. It's a pity that people like Sue continue to perpetuate such nonsense <snip patronising crap http://www.salon.com/books/log/1999/05/25/nanking/print.html Japanese denial and The Rape of Nanking Author Iris Chang reacts to Kashiwashobo's decision to halt publication of her book. By Laura Miller Last week, the Japanese company Kashiwashobo announced that it had canceled plans to publish Chinese-American journalist Iris Chang's The Rape of Nanking in Japan. Chang's critically acclaimed 1997 history of the atrocities the Japanese Army committed during its occupation of Nanking in 1937 had already stirred debate in Japan. Basic Books, Chang's American publisher, issued a statement saying that it could not come to an agreement regarding changes that Kashiwashobo had requested in the text and photographs. Chang, who maintains that these requests are the result of pressure on Kashiwashobo from ultranationalist organizations in Japan, refused to make the alterations.  [Miller] Why do you think Japan has proved so resistant to confronting and acknowledging the Rape of Nanking and similar aspects of its past? Germany, by contrast, has made coming to terms with the Holocaust a national project. Daniel Goldhagen, the author of Hitler's Willing Executioners, was actually celebrated by many Germans. Because both countries found themselves in entirely different political circumstances after the war. In postwar Germany, most of the Nazi war criminals were thrown in prison, executed or