In some stores in Israel, you can purchase pre- toyveled pots and pans. It saves the *shlep* to the Keylim Mikva which is a 10 minute taxi ride away in Baka next to the train tracks In America, New York at least, many hardware stores have a keilim mikva on the premises where you can tawel your keilim at purchase time without having to *shlep* them anywhere. As a courtesy, most such shoppes will let you bring keilim purchased elsewhere and use their mikva. A caution is that not all of these mikvas are regularly, or even occasionally, inspected by a knowledgeable rabbi, and may not in fact be kasher for tewila. One needs to enquire. BTW while during a search on Google a few hours ago, I accidentally found out that there's an Israeli manufacturer of silicon pans (which is sold in stores here. We had assumed it was imported from China) and thus exempt= from Tvilat Keylim since it was produced by a Jewish owned company. Silicone, or silicone coated? I would imagine that pans made of all 100% silicon. silicone do not require tewila. You speak here of a Jewish manufacturer. What actually controls the requirement for tewila, the religion of the manufacturer, or the religion of a prior owner? If It depends on the manufacturer  (see: Iggrot Moshe YD 39; Iggrot Moshe OC III 4 who doesn't require tevilat keylim for any food utensil manufactured in Israel) manufactured by a Jew, but then sold to a wholesale distributor or retail store owned by gentile, and then purchased by the consumer from the gentile, is tewila required because of the intervening Jewish ownership? You mean intervening **gentile** ownership. Yes, it would need tevila. Yes, I did mean gentile ownership. But you quote Iggrot Moshe as not requiring tevilat keylim for any food utensil manufactured in Israel. Does that mean even if it was sold to a gentile distributor? What about an Arab manufacturer whose factory is in Israel? GEG

In article < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it = om, Giorgies E. Geshahnna < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it writes: In some stores in Israel, you can purchase pre- toyveled pots and pans= . It saves the *shlep* to the Keylim Mikva which is a 10 minute taxi ride= away in Baka next to the train tracks In America, New York at least, many hardware stores have a keilim mikva on the premises where you can tawel your keilim at purchase time without having to *shlep* them anywhere. As a courtesy, most such shoppes will let you bring keilim purchased elsewhere and use their mikva. A caution is that not all of these mikvas are regularly, or even occasionally, inspected by a knowledgeable rabbi, and may not in fact be kasher for tewila. One needs to enquire. BTW while during a search on Google a few hours ago, I accidentally fou= nd out that there's an Israeli manufacturer of silicon pans (which is sold= in stores here. We had assumed it was imported from China) and thus exe= mpt=3D from Tvilat Keylim since it was produced by a Jewish owned company. Silicone, or silicone coated? I would imagine that pans made of all 100% silicon. silicone do not require tewila. You speak here of a Jewish manufacturer. What actually controls the requirement for tewila, the religion of the manufacturer, or the religion of a prior owner? If It depends on the manufacturer =A0(see: Iggrot Moshe YD 39; Iggrot Moshe OC III 4 who doesn't require tevilat keylim for any food utensil manufactured in Israel) manufactured by a Jew, but then sold to a wholesale distributor or retail store owned by gentile, and then purchased by the consumer from the gentile, is tewila required because of the intervening Jewish ownership? You mean intervening **gentile** ownership. Yes, it would need tevila. Yes, I did mean gentile ownership. But you quote Iggrot Moshe as not requiring tevilat keylim for any food utensil manufactured in Israel. Does that mean even if it was sold to a gentile distributor? What about an Arab manufacturer whose factory is in Israel? The Iggrot Moshe obviously refers to a Jewish manufacturer in Israel selling directly to a Jewish distributor or end user. Josh - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - GEG

- it is acceptable to give knives as a gift, if the recipient of the gift gives the other party a coin in exchange. I have seen that done. By giving the coin, it becomes a sale rather than a gift . May you continue to enjoy your mother-in-law's cooking for many years to come. Moshe Schorr It is a tremendous Mitzvah to always be happy! - Reb Nachman of Breslov The home and family are the center of Judaism, *not* the synagogue. May Eliezer Mordichai b. Chaya Sheina Rochel have a refuah shlaimah btoch sha'ar cholei Yisroel. Disclaimer: Nothing here necessarily reflects the opinion of Hebrew University

Dear All, My mother-in-law is a excellent cook, and we have enjoyed many wonderful Shabbos and Yon Tov meals at her house. I recently noticed that her knives are all of a poor quality. I would like to buy her a good set of knives as a gift. I am familiar with the idea that according to Jewish tradition we don't give knives as gifts. I understand that it is acceptable to give knives as a gift, if the recipient of the gift gives the other party a coin in exchange for the gift. I would be grateful if anyone could shed some light on whether: - the practice of not giving knives as gifts is in fact a Jewish tradition; Indeed it is a Jewish tradition. Rebbe Nachman of Breslov mentions it in the name of the Baal Shem Tov. - the practice of not giving knives as gifts only applies to wedding gifts; and I never heard that limitation. - it is acceptable to give knives as a gift, if the recipient of the gift gives the other party a coin in exchange. I have seen that done. By giving the coin, it becomes a sale rather than a gift . The superstition is that giving someone a knife/scissors etc without exchanging money will result in the friendship being cut by the knife. It is traditional to give the recipient of the gift a coin along with the knife so that the coin can be given back to the donor. Eli

In article < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it = om, Giorgies E. Geshahnna < This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it writes: In some stores in Israel, you can purchase pre- toyveled pots and pans= . It saves the *shlep* to the Keylim Mikva which is a 10 minute taxi ride= away in Baka next to the train tracks In America, New York at least, many hardware stores have a keilim mikva on the premises where you can tawel your keilim at purchase time without having to *shlep* them anywhere. As a courtesy, most such shoppes will let you bring keilim purchased elsewhere and use their mikva. A caution is that not all of these mikvas are regularly, or even occasionally, inspected by a knowledgeable rabbi, and may not in fact be kasher for tewila. One needs to enquire. BTW while during a search on Google a few hours ago, I accidentally fou= nd out that there's an Israeli manufacturer of silicon pans (which is sold= in stores here. We had assumed it was imported from China) and thus exe= mpt=3D from Tvilat Keylim since it was produced by a Jewish owned company. Silicone, or silicone coated? I would imagine that pans made of all 100% silicon. silicone do not require tewila. You speak here of a Jewish manufacturer. What actually controls the requirement for tewila, the religion of the manufacturer, or the religion of a prior owner? If It depends on the manufacturer =A0(see: Iggrot Moshe YD 39; Iggrot Moshe OC III 4 who doesn't require tevilat keylim for any food utensil manufactured in Israel) manufactured by a Jew, but then sold to a wholesale distributor or retail store owned by gentile, and then purchased by the consumer from the gentile, is tewila required because of the intervening Jewish ownership? You mean intervening **gentile** ownership. Yes, it would need tevila. Yes, I did mean gentile ownership. But you quote Iggrot Moshe as not requiring tevilat keylim for any food utensil manufactured in Israel. Does that mean even if it was sold to a gentile distributor? What about an Arab manufacturer whose factory is in Israel? The Iggrot Moshe obviously refers to a Jewish manufacturer in Israel selling directly to a Jewish distributor or end user. So I would have supposed. But I still do not understand. If it is a Jewish manufacturer selling directly to a jewish distributor or end user, what difference does it make whether the manufacturer is in israel or somewhere else? GEG